Posts by Saltheart Foamfollower

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JW.org is a real estate and publishing company disguesd as a religion.

by UNCONDITIONAL LOVE in

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since my awakening i have tried to understand why and how people could continue to believe so blindly in a proven false "religious" cult that has such an extensive and detailed record of scandals, lies and cover ups???

i've come to the personal conclusion that there are three major reasons.

i call them the 3 f-ups!

Saltheart Foamfollower

I tend to think of them as The Watchtower Building and Land Society.

SF

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Today's Text for J.W.'s

by The Fall Guy in

's perverted & self-condemnatory language is inescapable.

"......but what does this tell us about our enemy satan?.........

he certainly does not have a soft spot for children.

Saltheart Foamfollower

Of course Jehovah showed how much he likes children by destroying them all in a flood. Thankfully, this was just a crazy story rather than a real event.

SF

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The forgotten victims in Job

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

after todays watchtower, i realised that there was a detail which i'd never noticed before.

sometimes job's children are mentioned, but how many have noticed that job's servants were also killed.

they didn't even have a quantity assigned to them - just treated like property.

Saltheart Foamfollower

After todays watchtower, I realised that there was a detail which I'd never noticed before. Sometimes Job's children are mentioned, but how many have noticed that Job's servants were also killed. They didn't even have a quantity assigned to them - just treated like property. OK the account is fictional, but it shows the bible's real attitude to people.

SF

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Next years special talk

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

as you may be aware, next years "special" talk is to be given 1 week before the memorial.

they have just issued the following instruction as well -.

please note that bodies of elders should not take steps to assign a speaker for the special talk until further information is provided by the branch office.. .

Saltheart Foamfollower

As you may be aware, next years "special" talk is to be given 1 week before the memorial. They have just issued the following instruction as well -

Please note that bodies of elders should not take steps to assign a speaker for the special talk until further information is provided by the branch office.

Video???

SF

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Don't Give Up (song)

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

don't give up by pimo gabriel & aposkate bush.

"don't give up".

pimo: in this proud faith we grew up strongwe were wanted all alongi was taught to speak, taught to preachi never thought i could failno truth left or so it seemsi am a man whose dreams have all desertedthey've changed my mags, they've changed my songsbut no one wants you when you're oldaposkate: don't give up'cos you have friendsdon't give upyou're not beaten yetdon't give upi know you can make it goodpimo: though i saw it all aroundnever thought i could be affectedthought that we'd be the last to goit is so strange the way things turndrove the night toward my homethe place that i was born, on the lakesideas daylight broke, i saw ttattthe gb had sold us down the riveraposkate: don't give upyou still have usdon't give upwe don't need much of anythingdon't give up'cause somewhere there's a placewhere we belongrest your headyou worry too muchit's going to be alrightwhen times get roughyou can fall back on usdon't give upplease don't give uppimo: 'got to walk out of herei can't take any moregoing to sign on that sitekeep my eyes down belowwhatever may comeand whatever may gothat forum's growingthat forum's growingmoved on to another congtried hard to settle downfor every job, so many menso many men no-one needsaposkate: don't give up'cause you have friendsdon't give upyou're not the only onedon't give upno reason to be ashameddon't give upyou still have usdon't give up nowwe're proud of who you aredon't give upyou know it's never been easydon't give up'cause i believe there's a placethere's a place where we belong .

Saltheart Foamfollower

I'm hoping next year's theme will be "Stairway to Heaven"

SF

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Don't Give Up (song)

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

don't give up by pimo gabriel & aposkate bush.

"don't give up".

pimo: in this proud faith we grew up strongwe were wanted all alongi was taught to speak, taught to preachi never thought i could failno truth left or so it seemsi am a man whose dreams have all desertedthey've changed my mags, they've changed my songsbut no one wants you when you're oldaposkate: don't give up'cos you have friendsdon't give upyou're not beaten yetdon't give upi know you can make it goodpimo: though i saw it all aroundnever thought i could be affectedthought that we'd be the last to goit is so strange the way things turndrove the night toward my homethe place that i was born, on the lakesideas daylight broke, i saw ttattthe gb had sold us down the riveraposkate: don't give upyou still have usdon't give upwe don't need much of anythingdon't give up'cause somewhere there's a placewhere we belongrest your headyou worry too muchit's going to be alrightwhen times get roughyou can fall back on usdon't give upplease don't give uppimo: 'got to walk out of herei can't take any moregoing to sign on that sitekeep my eyes down belowwhatever may comeand whatever may gothat forum's growingthat forum's growingmoved on to another congtried hard to settle downfor every job, so many menso many men no-one needsaposkate: don't give up'cause you have friendsdon't give upyou're not the only onedon't give upno reason to be ashameddon't give upyou still have usdon't give up nowwe're proud of who you aredon't give upyou know it's never been easydon't give up'cause i believe there's a placethere's a place where we belong .

Saltheart Foamfollower

Don't Give Up by PIMO Gabriel & Aposkate Bush

"Don't Give Up"

PIMO: In this proud faith we grew up strong
we were wanted all along
I was taught to speak, taught to preach
I never thought I could fail

no truth left or so it seems
I am a man whose dreams have all deserted
They've changed my mags, They've changed my songs
but no one wants you when you're old

APOSKATE: don't give up
'cos you have friends
don't give up
you're not beaten yet
don't give up
I know you can make it good

PIMO: though I saw it all around
never thought I could be affected
thought that we'd be the last to go
it is so strange the way things turn

drove the night toward my home
the place that I was born, on the lakeside
as daylight broke, I saw TTATT
the GB had sold us down the river

APOSKATE: don't give up
you still have us
don't give up
we don't need much of anything
don't give up
'cause somewhere there's a place
where we belong

rest your head
you worry too much
it's going to be alright
when times get rough
you can fall back on us
don't give up
please don't give up

PIMO: 'got to walk out of here
I can't take any more
going to sign on that site
keep my eyes down below
whatever may come
and whatever may go
that forum's growing
that forum's growing

moved on to another cong
tried hard to settle down
for every job, so many men
so many men no-one needs

APOSKATE: don't give up
'cause you have friends
don't give up
you're not the only one
don't give up
no reason to be ashamed
don't give up
you still have us
don't give up now
we're proud of who you are
don't give up
you know it's never been easy
don't give up
'cause I believe there's a place
there's a place where we belong

SF

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Realistic depiction of exJW on tv

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

i recently watched a series which was broadcast a year ago on uk channel 4 called dicte - an import from denmark.

the main character is a journalist, but it is revealed in the first 5 minutes that she was brought up as a jw.

when she was in her teens, she had a baby which was removed from her.

Saltheart Foamfollower

I've only seen the first series so far. Good to know someone else shares my taste.

SF

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Realistic depiction of exJW on tv

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

i recently watched a series which was broadcast a year ago on uk channel 4 called dicte - an import from denmark.

the main character is a journalist, but it is revealed in the first 5 minutes that she was brought up as a jw.

when she was in her teens, she had a baby which was removed from her.

Saltheart Foamfollower

I recently watched a series which was broadcast a year ago on UK Channel 4 called Dicte - an import from Denmark. The main character is a journalist, but it is revealed in the first 5 minutes that she was brought up as a JW. When she was in her teens, she had a baby which was removed from her. Now she is grown up, her parents shun her. It is shown quite accurately - at one point she goes to their house and they shut the door in her face without speaking. When she says she has only come to collect something, they return, hand it to her and shut the door again. Her experiences are referred to several times through the series.

Anyone else see it (still available on catchup) or anything else which shows how exJWs are treated.

The show is good, BTW, though not up to the standard of The Bridge or The Killing for fans of scandinoir.

SF

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Latest elders meeting during circuit visit

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

for those not aware:- during the circuit visit there is a meeting with elders &ministerial servants based on an outline.

the mss are dismissed then local matters (eg new elders, meeting attendance etc) are discussed.

recently there has also been a part of the outline just for elders - one year it was about stopping anyone dressing in a "gender blurring" way from going on the ministry.. the latest visit has a section of the outline for elders.

Saltheart Foamfollower

Freddo - MS outline was the usual sort of stuff - set a good example in bible study, helping own family, build trust in Jehovah & his org, balance secular & theocratic responsibilities and take the lead in field ministry.

Yoko - this is from the UK but is probably the same everywhere.

SF

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Latest elders meeting during circuit visit

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

for those not aware:- during the circuit visit there is a meeting with elders &ministerial servants based on an outline.

the mss are dismissed then local matters (eg new elders, meeting attendance etc) are discussed.

recently there has also been a part of the outline just for elders - one year it was about stopping anyone dressing in a "gender blurring" way from going on the ministry.. the latest visit has a section of the outline for elders.

Saltheart Foamfollower

For those not aware:- During the circuit visit there is a meeting with elders &ministerial servants based on an outline. The MSs are dismissed then local matters (eg new elders, meeting attendance etc) are discussed. Recently there has also been a part of the outline just for elders - one year it was about stopping anyone dressing in a "gender blurring" way from going on the ministry.

The latest visit has a section of the outline for elders. There are two main points in it - KS10 (elders book) ch4 para 20 about separation being a personal issue ie don't interfere and also a point about handling cases of child abuse. Bearing in mind the ARC and all of the other issues what do you think they want to emphasize? The answer is "What to do if an abuser or suspected abuser moves congregation" The BOE 2016-08-01 letter paragraph 21 was read in full and that was it!!

The text reads -"21. Moving to Another Congregation: When an individual who has been accused of child sexual abuse (established or not) moves to another congregation, two elders from the congregation the individual moves from should immediately call the Legal Department. The elders should be prepared to provide the name of the new congregation, if known. This should be done even if the individual is disfellowshipped or is in prison and is transferred to another facility or is released. The Congregation Service Committee should not send any information to the new congregation until after receiving legal advice from the Legal Department and direction from the Service Department."

SF